Sometimes the most structured and predictable situations can suddenly go unpredictably off-script, in the very best ways.

Laura and I started off this episode by following a literal script about Frederick Baer, who committed a truly horrible pair of murders while coming off a meth binge, and we ended up immersed in a very real conversation about what that could possibly have to do with a mother and grandmother facing theft charges. It went deep, in a beautiful way.

Thanks again to Laura for her openness and courage.

Promos by The Frankenpod and What the Actual Faith… sponsors Sudio (code BLISS15) and bathbybex.com (code CBDkate) for 15% off at each. Art, as always and amazingly, by Emily. Music by onlymeith.

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